[Koha] Should XSLT add punctuation?

[Caroline Cyr-La-Rose]

Hello everyone!

I have a question regarding the XSLT stylesheets (for MARC21). Is it
supposed to change the punctuation when displaying the record?

For instance, I have a record where there is a period (.) at the end of
100$e. So in MARC, it looks like

100 1#
a Goscinny, René,
d 1926-1977-,
e author.

In intranet details, it looks like

Goscinny, René, 1926-1977- [author.].

There are two periods (and no comma after the date).

In the 260 field, the opposite happens. There is a period at the end of
260$c in MARC, but nothing is appearing in intranet results.

260 ##
a Paris :
b Gallimard jeunesse,
c [2014].

In the intranet details, it looks like

Paris : Gallimard jeunesse, [2014]

There is no period after the date.

It's not clear what the XSLT is trying to do. On one hand, it looks like
it's trying to complete the punctuation, but it removes it sometimes.

My knowledge of AACR2 rules for punctuation was wiped from my brain the
second I graduated ~10 years ago (maybe even before, if I'm being really
honest!), so I'm not even sure what the right punctuation is supposed to
be.

But my question is if the XSLT is supposed to mess with the punctuation
or not? And if the answer is yes, shouldn't it look first in leader/18
to see if the record already has punctuation?


Thank you for your help koha!

Caroline


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[Rubén Fernández Asensio]

Hello, Caroline,
I have a similar question. You all may know that ISBD punctuation is
already scheduled to be phased out:
https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/isbdmarc2016.pdf

I'm trying to dispense with it in my cataloging and have Koha show it in
its interface instead. So far I've been successful with the ISBD View.
However, the Normal View is trickier. I have no XSLT coding skills
whatsoever.

Does anybody have any idea on how to edit the XSLT default templates to
have them add ISBD punctuation, for example between the subfields of
fields 245 and 300?

Sorry for hijacking your thread!

Ruben

Post by Caroline Cyr-La-Rose
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding the XSLT stylesheets (for MARC21). Is it
supposed to change the punctuation when displaying the record?
For instance, I have a record where there is a period (.) at the end of
100$e. So in MARC, it looks like
100 1#
a Goscinny, René,
d 1926-1977-,
e author.
In intranet details, it looks like
Goscinny, René, 1926-1977- [author.].
There are two periods (and no comma after the date).
In the 260 field, the opposite happens. There is a period at the end of
260$c in MARC, but nothing is appearing in intranet results.
260 ##
b Gallimard jeunesse,
c [2014].
In the intranet details, it looks like
Paris : Gallimard jeunesse, [2014]
There is no period after the date.
It's not clear what the XSLT is trying to do. On one hand, it looks like
it's trying to complete the punctuation, but it removes it sometimes.
My knowledge of AACR2 rules for punctuation was wiped from my brain the
second I graduated ~10 years ago (maybe even before, if I'm being really
honest!), so I'm not even sure what the right punctuation is supposed to
be.
But my question is if the XSLT is supposed to mess with the punctuation
or not? And if the answer is yes, shouldn't it look first in leader/18
to see if the record already has punctuation?
Thank you for your help koha!
Caroline
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Librarian, Head of training and support
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[Katrin Fischer]

Hi Caroline.

the question of ISBD punctuation has been giving us quite some trouble
as in Germany it's usually not added (leader/18 as you pointed out).

In Koha a compley 245 with abcnp will look wrong without any punctuation
and Koha is not adding it. I think at the moment leader/18 is not
checked at all, Koha assumes that it's dealing with records that contain
ISBD punctuation, but often removes it.

Not having 'grown up' with MARC21 the trailing '.' always looks a bit
odd to me when it's displayed in the OPAC, but we should definitely be
consistent.

I don't have a clear opinion, but maybe we need to overhaul our XSLT and
check for leader/18.

Katrin

Post by Caroline Cyr-La-Rose
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding the XSLT stylesheets (for MARC21). Is it
supposed to change the punctuation when displaying the record?
For instance, I have a record where there is a period (.) at the end
of 100$e. So in MARC, it looks like
100 1#
a Goscinny, René,
d 1926-1977-,
e author.
In intranet details, it looks like
Goscinny, René, 1926-1977- [author.].
There are two periods (and no comma after the date).
In the 260 field, the opposite happens. There is a period at the end
of 260$c in MARC, but nothing is appearing in intranet results.
260 ##
b Gallimard jeunesse,
c [2014].
In the intranet details, it looks like
Paris : Gallimard jeunesse, [2014]
There is no period after the date.
It's not clear what the XSLT is trying to do. On one hand, it looks
like it's trying to complete the punctuation, but it removes it
sometimes.
My knowledge of AACR2 rules for punctuation was wiped from my brain
the second I graduated ~10 years ago (maybe even before, if I'm being
really honest!), so I'm not even sure what the right punctuation is
supposed to be.
But my question is if the XSLT is supposed to mess with the
punctuation or not? And if the answer is yes, shouldn't it look first
in leader/18 to see if the record already has punctuation?
Thank you for your help koha!
Caroline
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Librarian, Head of training and support
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[Teresa Preston]

Hi
Is anyone else watching the PCC trial of removing ISBD punctuation? It started in February. I've copied a brief excerpt from the announcement below. The full announcement is available on the PPC website http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/ We copy-catalogue as much as possible and make our Koha as Marc21 compliant as we can so are watching to see what happens. Perhaps the issue of how Koha handles ISBD punctuation is something to consider for long term development?
Teresa

Teresa Preston
Acting Research Resources Manager
Parliamentary Service Te Ratonga Whare Pāremata
Private Bag 18041, Wellington 6160, New Zealand
www.parliament.nz


Testing Use of Limited ISBD Punctuation in Bibliographic Records February 6, 2018 The Program for Cooperative Cataloging (PCC), OCLC, and SkyRiver will begin testing a possible transition to using limited ISBD punctuation in MARC 21 bibliographic records. The test period will run through July 1, 2018, followed by an evaluation period that will culminate in a decision on whether to move forward.
Rationale:
Creating MARC 21 records without punctuation that duplicates MARC 21 coding is expected to save time for catalogers, make it easier to map data to and from other formats, and allow for an easier transition to linked data. Creating records with limited ISBD punctuation simplifies data entry and allows catalogers to focus solely on coding to better identify parts of the bibliographic description. OCLC analysis of changes that catalogers make to existing bibliographic data indicates that edits to ISBD punctuation and associated spacing have little to no impact on retrieval and use. In addition, this change would allow for flexibility in the design of online displays without the need for suppressing punctuation.
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions<https://goo.gl/rcpCx2> for additional information about the test.

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Subject: Re: [Koha] Should XSLT add punctuation?

Hi Caroline.

the question of ISBD punctuation has been giving us quite some trouble as in Germany it's usually not added (leader/18 as you pointed out).

In Koha a compley 245 with abcnp will look wrong without any punctuation and Koha is not adding it. I think at the moment leader/18 is not checked at all, Koha assumes that it's dealing with records that contain ISBD punctuation, but often removes it.

Not having 'grown up' with MARC21 the trailing '.' always looks a bit odd to me when it's displayed in the OPAC, but we should definitely be consistent.

I don't have a clear opinion, but maybe we need to overhaul our XSLT and check for leader/18.

Katrin

Post by Caroline Cyr-La-Rose
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding the XSLT stylesheets (for MARC21). Is it
supposed to change the punctuation when displaying the record?
For instance, I have a record where there is a period (.) at the end
of 100$e. So in MARC, it looks like
100 1#
a Goscinny, René,
d 1926-1977-,
e author.
In intranet details, it looks like
Goscinny, René, 1926-1977- [author.].
There are two periods (and no comma after the date).
In the 260 field, the opposite happens. There is a period at the end
of 260$c in MARC, but nothing is appearing in intranet results.
260 ##
b Gallimard jeunesse,
c [2014].
In the intranet details, it looks like
Paris : Gallimard jeunesse, [2014]
There is no period after the date.
It's not clear what the XSLT is trying to do. On one hand, it looks
like it's trying to complete the punctuation, but it removes it
sometimes.
My knowledge of AACR2 rules for punctuation was wiped from my brain
the second I graduated ~10 years ago (maybe even before, if I'm being
really honest!), so I'm not even sure what the right punctuation is
supposed to be.
But my question is if the XSLT is supposed to mess with the
punctuation or not? And if the answer is yes, shouldn't it look first
in leader/18 to see if the record already has punctuation?
Thank you for your help koha!
Caroline
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[Tomas Cohen Arazi]

I believe Koha should be obbeying LDR/18 and a bug filed for that.

Best regards

El dom., 26 de ago. de 2018 18:40, Teresa Preston <

Post by Teresa Preston
Hi
Is anyone else watching the PCC trial of removing ISBD punctuation? It
started in February. I've copied a brief excerpt from the announcement
below. The full announcement is available on the PPC website
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/ We copy-catalogue as much as possible and
make our Koha as Marc21 compliant as we can so are watching to see what
happens. Perhaps the issue of how Koha handles ISBD punctuation is
something to consider for long term development?
Teresa
Teresa Preston
Acting Research Resources Manager
Parliamentary Service Te Ratonga Whare Pāremata
Private Bag 18041, Wellington 6160, New Zealand
www.parliament.nz
Testing Use of Limited ISBD Punctuation in Bibliographic Records February
6, 2018 The Program for Cooperative Cataloging (PCC), OCLC, and SkyRiver
will begin testing a possible transition to using limited ISBD punctuation
in MARC 21 bibliographic records. The test period will run through July 1,
2018, followed by an evaluation period that will culminate in a decision on
whether to move forward.
Creating MARC 21 records without punctuation that duplicates MARC 21
coding is expected to save time for catalogers, make it easier to map data
to and from other formats, and allow for an easier transition to linked
data. Creating records with limited ISBD punctuation simplifies data entry
and allows catalogers to focus solely on coding to better identify parts of
the bibliographic description. OCLC analysis of changes that catalogers
make to existing bibliographic data indicates that edits to ISBD
punctuation and associated spacing have little to no impact on retrieval
and use. In addition, this change would allow for flexibility in the
design of online displays without the need for suppressing punctuation.
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions<https://goo.gl/rcpCx2> for
additional information about the test.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Koha] Should XSLT add punctuation?
Hi Caroline.
the question of ISBD punctuation has been giving us quite some trouble as
in Germany it's usually not added (leader/18 as you pointed out).
In Koha a compley 245 with abcnp will look wrong without any punctuation
and Koha is not adding it. I think at the moment leader/18 is not checked
at all, Koha assumes that it's dealing with records that contain ISBD
punctuation, but often removes it.
Not having 'grown up' with MARC21 the trailing '.' always looks a bit odd
to me when it's displayed in the OPAC, but we should definitely be
consistent.
I don't have a clear opinion, but maybe we need to overhaul our XSLT and
check for leader/18.
Katrin

Post by Caroline Cyr-La-Rose
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding the XSLT stylesheets (for MARC21). Is it
supposed to change the punctuation when displaying the record?
For instance, I have a record where there is a period (.) at the end
of 100$e. So in MARC, it looks like
100 1#
a Goscinny, René,
d 1926-1977-,
e author.
In intranet details, it looks like
Goscinny, René, 1926-1977- [author.].
There are two periods (and no comma after the date).
In the 260 field, the opposite happens. There is a period at the end
of 260$c in MARC, but nothing is appearing in intranet results.
260 ##
b Gallimard jeunesse,
c [2014].
In the intranet details, it looks like
Paris : Gallimard jeunesse, [2014]
There is no period after the date.
It's not clear what the XSLT is trying to do. On one hand, it looks
like it's trying to complete the punctuation, but it removes it
sometimes.
My knowledge of AACR2 rules for punctuation was wiped from my brain
the second I graduated ~10 years ago (maybe even before, if I'm being
really honest!), so I'm not even sure what the right punctuation is
supposed to be.
But my question is if the XSLT is supposed to mess with the
punctuation or not? And if the answer is yes, shouldn't it look first
in leader/18 to see if the record already has punctuation?
Thank you for your help koha!
Caroline
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Librarian, Head of training and support inLibro
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